We'll start to question our decision and wonder if we made a wrong choice. While there, Jacob built an altardeclaring that the God of Israel was God (Gen 33:20). Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers, Inc., Carol Stream, Illinois 60188. He can be trusted and He wants to bless you beyond your imagination (Ephesians 3:20). Their father or mother wasnt around or involved for whatever reasons. In doing this David lost his newborn child, lost control of his own children, and lost out on the opportunity to build the Lords Temple. Thats the way He cares for us tooevery day, all year long, always. As the story begins, Dinah, Jacobs only daughter, goes to the city to meet with the young ladies of the land and is raped by Shechem, the prince of the land. He can bring light out of darkness and beauty out of ugliness. We are in Him before the foundation of the world. Copyright 1982 by Thomas Nelson, Inc Used by permission. When he failed to confess his sin to God, his bones grew old and he groaned all the day long (verse 3). I have impulsively run into a marriage without asking God first, purchased high-ticket items without counting the cost, and made life-changing decisions without wise counsel. Often God has to do the same with us. Psalm 32:4. Satan tries to sidetrack anybody with a spiritual interest. In this story, a pagan rapes Dinah, and in return, the Israelites deceive and kill all the men in the citycommitting a worse sin. Seeking the Lord means . For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed in their passions for one another. To live a life that pleases God and inspires others to know Him means that you know Him well and are intimate with Him. Most likely, Dinah was around fourteen to sixteen years old. To first-century leaders in the Roman world, the imagery was familiar: A victorious Roman general returning from battle leading his soldiers and their captives into the city. Oscar Amaechina is the president of Afri-Mission and Evangelism Network, Abuja, Nigeria. We have the promises of God to help us in difficult days, and we have the Holy Spirit within us. The one who walks in the darkness does not know where he is going. Scripture quotations marked (NASB) are taken from the New American Standard Bible, Copyright 1960, 1962, 1963, 1968, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1975, 1977, and 1995 by The Lockman Foundation. Dont miss or even delay your blessing because you refuse to wait on God. This is a consequence of walking in disunity. In the previous narrative, Jacob had worked for his uncle Laban for twenty years, and while working for him, he was cheated and abused. Get instant access to the Grow Your Faith Devotional series delivered to your email. They used to go in and out of the holy place and were praised in the city where they had done such things. 1 Bruce Goettsches sermon from Genesis 34, When God Is Absent, accessed 5/25/2018 from http://www.unionchurch.com/archive/101099.html. Then I will make an altar there to God, who responded to me in my time of distress and has been with me wherever I went.. Share with us in the comments below. These two verses are giving all Christians major revelation on what God is looking for from each one of us. But this is not just a problem for society, it is also a problem for believers. 2 Guzik, D. (2013). But Hamor made this appeal to them: My son Shechem is in love with your daughter. He favored Rachels children over Leahs. In Romans 1:24-27, Paul describes this: Therefore God gave them over in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor their bodies among themselvesFor this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. In mathematics two of the basic kinds of numbers are integers and fractions: 2, 100, and 56 are integers, while , , and 2.5 are fractions. There is always a righteous choice to be made if we are willing to seek it. Verse Concepts. Walking With God 3 1. Before we go deeper into the topic, we will address the surface issues and dig further as we go along. Oh, to see the glory of the Lord while in the midst of the disappointments in life. Since Jacob did nothing, his sons reacted. God eventually takes this blasphemous and murderous family and makes them the twelve tribes of Israel. Here are two very powerful Scripture verses describing the above scenario. This also is vanity. This created terrible hatred and jealously to the point where Hagar and her son Ishmael were banned from their presence and sent off to die. As a young man, Ezekiel had dedicated himself to be a priest. Asa knew, as everyone who grows strong in the Lord knows, that a powerful . Paul uses that image to say that Christ leads His followers in a victory procession through every difficulty in life (2 Corinthians 2:14-15). King David was a classic example of impulsivity. It is used to sell all types of products. Proverbs 20:24 says that the Lord directs our steps, or in other words, when you walk with God, you shall always go in the right direction. Many who worked for God but did not walk with Him will be disappointed: Not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord, will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in Heaven. You can unsubscribe at any time. People declare the rights of parents to murder their children. Integers, from a Latin root meaning whole or entire. The word integrity comes from the same root; a person with integrity cannot be divided in beliefs or morality based on varying circumstances. Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is fullgrown, brings forth death (James 1:1315). But Hamor made this appeal to them: My son Shechem is in love with your daughter. If we dont do that, the world will expose them in a negative wayit will be done in a way that promotes evil and lures them into sin, instead of away from it. J. C. Ryle, I rejoice at Your Word as one who finds great treasure. He is Christ the Lord!'. Cut off the Internet! When we have a relationship with God, He puts His Spirit in us, who then gives us divine wisdom (Colossians 1:9). The God of grace loves to forgive. Judas worked for God, occupied a good position in Jesus' ministry, moved around with Jesus, yet he did not walk with Him. It is obvious that working for God is not good enough. It is not possible to do the work of God, unless you are connected to Jesus Christ through a relationship with Him. 5. If Moses, the author of Genesis, was simply trying to encourage Israel before they entered the promised land, this story would have been left out, as it displays the Jews in an unflattering light. 3 Guzik, D. (2013). On the third day after their circumcision, when the pain probably was the worst, two of Jacobs sons murdered all the men in the town. This story is a perfect poster story for one group of people who were willing to follow God fully, and another group of people who were not. He knows, cares, pursues, and changes me.as He sees fit. Psalm 38:4 tells us to taste and see that the Lord is good. Thomas Watson, Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord. Ready to take your faith to the next level? Ezekiel looked beyond the sufferings of Christ to the glory that should follow. Revelation 21 Seems To Be After The Millennium Where It Says There Will Be No Pain Or Tears. Jesus said salvation comes from the Jews (John 4:22). David had flaws. My son, do not scorn the Lords discipline or give up when he corrects you. Colossians 3:5. If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; With the other prophets, the second time meant additional prophetic utterances they were to deliver. When He told the man that his sins were forgiven (and by extension, he was healed), He was criticized. Just give me the young woman as my wife!. It wasnt when things were bad that Jacobs family neglected God and committed treacherous acts; it was when things were good. Santa Barbara, CA: David Guzik. In writing about the timing of the Day of the Lord (the end of the age), Peter says God is waiting for all who will be saved to come to Him. Used by permission. 19Is it I whom they provoke? The benefits and results of walking with God far outweigh a life of not walking with Him. Theyre building a palace for me over there. } 23 But this command I gave them: 'Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people. Ezekiel 1:1, NIV, We often need fresh starts after enduring bitter disappointments. His life was sold out to God, and he kept away from anything that could defile him. Application Question: In what ways have you witnessed this growing trend of parents neglecting their children by not loving them, disciplining them, and setting boundaries for them? This is what happens in a society that disregards God. 1. How do you view yourself? The journey of faith is not an easy one. He is the author of the book Mystery Of The Cross Revealed. God gave him a second chance. After God delivers Jacob and his family from Laban and Esau and they arrive safely in Canaan, it seems they neglected God. Make an altar there to God, who appeared to you when you fled from your brother Esau. So Jacob told his household and all who were with him, Get rid of the foreign gods you have among you. Romans 1:28-32 says: And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what should not be done. It is true for us today also. Faithfulness and Fellowship enabled him to walk with God for three hundred years without wavering. In fact, this demonstrates that all are sinnersJews and Gentiles. When God is neglected in a society, sexual immorality saturates it. Do Those Who Commit Suicide Go To Hell? 2:5) 2. This is part of our series on the Full Surrender. As we study this narrative, we must be sober and aware that these unfortunate consequences of neglecting God can happen in our nations, communities, churches, and homes. And when he believed God, [God] accounted it to [Abraham] for righteousness (Genesis 15:6). He was using his prophetic gift. Privacy Policy, Then God blessed them, and God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth. Q. At the time of this instruction, Abraham was already working for God but most probably had not surrendered himself to God's deep relationship. 3 Truths to Remember When Youre Tired of Waiting on God. The spiritual battle, the loss of victory, is always in the thought-world. He allows his sons to handle it. Lets make our walk with God our central goal. 18The children gather wood, the fathers kindle fire,and the women knead dough, tomake cakes forthe queen of heaven. Visualize your daily Bible study time like a miser running his hands through a chest of gold. 2 Peter 1:13-14, NIV. The men agreed to circumcision, not because of faith, but to gain the wealth of Israel (v. 20-24). Purify yourselves and change your clothes. But with God, it is possible. You can place your steadfast trust in Him. God does the same with us. Colossians 3:1 tells us to seek those things which are above, where Christ is. In verse 5 were told to put to death the passions that come from below"fornication, uncleanness, passion, and evil desire. Then the Lord added the sin of greed or covetousness to the list, calling it idolatry. In his vision of the future, the apostle John saw that new heaven and a new earth, our new domain being pictured as the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God (Revelation 21:1-2). Some neglect their children simply because they were neglected as children, and therefore, they dont know how to properly parent. So lets consent to their demand, so they will live among us. All the men who assembled at the city gate agreed with Hamor and his son Shechem. - It is time for this great story to become a living reality in . Woe to the rebellious children, says the Lord, . Take more time to read and meditate on Gods Word, and allow Him to speak into your life. Ecclesiastes 8:10-13 - Then I saw the wicked buried. It is much harder to be faithful to God in ease than in difficulty. How can we do that? May I walk in wisdom and obedience to you. Verse Concepts. J. Vernon McGee, The Lord your God cares. The Bible Teachers Guide, Jacob: Being Transformed By Amazing Grace, When God Is Neglected, Sexual Immorality Saturates Society, When God Is Neglected, Parents Neglect Their Children, When God Is Neglected, Religion Is Abused, When God Is Neglected, Violence Increases, When God Is Neglected, He Brings Discipline to Help Us Repent. Abraham and Sarah were promised a son but they werent content to wait for the promise to come to pass. To think our temptation is unique is to believe a lie. 1 John 1:6. Away from me, you evildoers! (Mathew 7:21-23). Both times, aware of this tragic cultural reality, Abraham lied and said that she was his sister to protect himself from being killed because of her. The time to strengthen your walk with the Lord is now (Prov. Please give her to him as his wife. Human authors would not have added this story. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. Do Your Priorities Align With Gods Will. The supernatural ability to feel loved by God and to feel love back (for Him and others). (3) Religion is also abused when it primarily focuses on people securing their passions, like lust or wealth, instead of holiness. The apostle James argued that if temptation becomes serious, it is because we have allowed it to do so. The false teaching, hunger for power and money, and manipulation of people will drive many away. In the ancient world, it was known that unaccompanied ladies were vulnerable to being assaulted by men. He did for us what we cannot do for ourselves. Every male who assembled at the city gate was circumcised. Walking with God. California is a dry state that needs water to be transported over many miles to population and agricultural centers. He was accused of blaspheming by saying He had the authority to forgive sinssomething only God can do. There are many benefits of being in a relationship with God. God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son, Jesus Christ (1 John 5:11). During the times when I don't spend time with God, I become numb or blind to sin. It says: Then God said to Jacob, Go up at once to Bethel and live there. A person of integrity obeys the whole counsel of God every day, in every circumstance. Yet, just as they were getting ready to cross over into their Promised Land, they started questioning and doubting that God could take these enemies out for them, even though God had just got done delivering them from an entire Egyptian nation several years earlier! This shows me how important it is to be filled daily in order to open my eyes and ears to the Lord. I have noticed that whenever I am so in touch with God, I feel more aware of sin and the influences of the world. This is also common when God is neglected in our world today; religion becomes abused for selfish and evil reasons. Again, not perfect or sinless, but in a right standing with God. But when we apply that impatience to God it can have grave consequences. He fell in love with the young woman and spoke romantically to her. Congregations will find teachers who make them feel good by preaching myths. Live in it, travel freely in it, and acquire property in it. Then Shechem said to Dinahs father and brothers, Let me find favor in your sight, and whatever you require of me Ill give. When God is denied, sexual immorality saturates society. He uses discipline to help us repent and turn back to him. Even when God gave them a way to repent and receive mercy, they still did not listen. Application Question: In what ways have you seen or experienced the growing promotion and acceptance of sexual immorality in society? THE CONSEQUENCES OF WALKING WITH GOD. Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles? Then I will tell them plainly, I never knew you. 'Today in the city of David a Saviour has been born to you. The verse says that when we do this we will fall. Is it things above? I dont wait well. I pray for ears that can hear and eyes that can see. Paul says when people dont acknowledge God, it leads to murder, hostility, insolence, ruthlessness, and even approval of such evils. We serve the same God who said: And the Lord, He is the One who goes before you. This is the eternal nature of having a strong relationship with God. Moses had flaws. 2 Peter 3:9. He stayed faithful. Follow Abrahams example as a faithful father by deepening your friendship with God. Santa Barbara, CA: David Guzik. 27So you shall speak all these words to them, but they will not listen to you. But what is the biblical view of humility. The New Jerusalem, on the new earth, is that place. You do not have because you do not ask; you ask and do not receive because you ask wrongly, so you can spend it on your passions. To what things was Paul referring? You desire and you do not have; you murder and envy and you cannot obtain; you quarrel and fight. Please help Betsy complete her mission "Books for Souls." Sexual immorality and homosexuality are results of denying God. Copyright by Michael Bradley and Chris Bradley. Henry Morris says, Unattached young women were considered fair game in cities of the time, in which promiscuity was not only common but, in fact, a part of the very religious system itself.3 This was particularly true of the Canaanites, who were corrupt and known for their sexual immorality (cf. There are so many people who have confessed that God has called them into specific ministries. You know the storyJonah ended up in the sea where he was swallowed by a great fish. Fish become entangled in discarded fishing nets and lines, with bellies full of plastic debris they have swallowed. The ants are a people not strong, yet they prepare their meat in the summer; (Proverbs 30:25) 1. And he encouraged his readers not to make the same mistake he had made (verses 9-10). God is more concerned with your maturity than your blessings. And it appears that Jacob and his family began to neglect God in this season. We will take their daughters for wives, and we will give them our daughters to marry. For more, log onto, 8 Habits That Are Destroying Your Walk With God, responsibility to take care of the Lords business, commit your entire being to knowing the will of God, they knew the One in whom they had placed their trust. When God sees their lack of faith and belief in Him that He could conquer these lands for them, He threw up His hands and said that was going to be it. We can imagine a child writing an appreciative and sentimental memoir about her perfect father, understanding that perfect was not intended to be taken literally. Purify yourselves and change your clothes (v. 2). God sent them His servants and prophets DAILY, again and again. Eventually, Solomon stopped seeking God, and he started . Abraham wouldnt allow Isaac to marry a Canaanite. In fact, there are no instances of Jesus being asked to help or heal and Him answering, I am not willing. There is a place where the Bible says God is not willing, and that is 2 Peter 3:9. (2) In a society where people neglect God, not only will parents neglect their responsibilities by not setting appropriate boundaries, but they also will tend to not discipline their children at all. Jesus told us in John 15:4 that no one can bear fruit unless they remain in Him. The Bible is clear that God does not show favoritism. Hearing the voice of God is comforting, and it reminds you that you have a loving Father who cares about you and will always be with you. Ezekiel looked up and saw remarkable visions of Godthe throne of God surrounded by angelic beings. Hello golden streets, glorified bodies, endless days, and the fresh air of New Jerusalem! This is also common in society and church when God is neglected. Most likely, they further explained the symbolic nature of circumcision. Did you have this in your life when you had to withdraw from things? Enoch walked with God and entered Heaven alive. Here are two more good verses showing the negative consequences of not being willing to fully follow God in this life. Your relationship with God is very personal, and He knows what will work for you. . Its the act of becoming too attached to the material things of the worldfalling more in love with the things on earth than on things in heaven. Gen 19, Judges 19)! "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in the darkness, we lie, and do not the truth. Turn off the TV! Then he became very attached to Dinah, Jacobs daughter. Its so dangerous, we must run from it. Our relationship with God is never-ending because we become part of His Kingdom when we get born again, and His Kingdom lasts forever. God gave what He could to His people to keep them from worshipping other idols. That verse changes our view of idolatry. Jacobs sons killed them and looted the city because their sister had been violated. They said to them, We cannot give our sister to a man who is not circumcised, for it would be a disgrace to us. Enoch served God because we are told in Jude 14-15 that he prophesied against men who lived ungodly lives. 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