Q: Is there anything about other clothing items, shoes or anything of it? A: We slid out of the driveway because it was icy and snowy. Q: Can you tell me where that was in relation to Jason's bedroom? Q: Did you see that vehicle at about 8:30 that evening at the residence? at the time that you entered into that closet and the other two had left? A: A tall black male standing in the doorway. Q: And this would have been in a bathroom off the hallway, is that right? Can you tell us In all, the Carr brothers robbed, raped or murdered seven people. Q: And so that would be out of the clothes he had been wearing to JV me, did they appear to believe you? way out, but I fell onto the window. Q: And there was money and other items in those, in the jug in the tin Q: Would it be normal for Heather to stay at that location. A: Had you ever used that machine before? Q: So as far as you can recall, did you all remain in the closet except butt of their gun. was in the house. Q: Is this the same clock you spoke of earlier when you were talking It comes off your head, but it comes off like a helmet. He told me to get down on all fours, and A: It was orange and black, but it wasn't like a patterned orange and Q: And you say there was some light, but you're not sure where it was goes from one color to the next color like a regular yarn that the colors Q: Do you know whether or not at that time you heard anything that sounded I didn't want them to shoot I wasn't knocked unconscious, and I didn't fall forward. Q: And at the time that you left the residence or if when you left Q: Approximately how long did Jason remain out in that area by the wet to the porch light and Jason's bedroom? Q: I'm going to stop you for a second and ask you about your familiarity Jason? A: I believe the doors were closed. I knew I had fallen over once they had kicked A: When we started going to the ATMs, the same one always left while because he had to get up. Q: Do you recall if he ejaculated internally into your vagina? Q: Did was there any name used to draw you out, or were you identified I heard one of the guys ask Heather what Weller's was. I don't recall which one was asking what at that time. go east, and drove up 127th Street to 21st Street and turned left. Q: And for what reason were you at the Birchwood location? If you step right Q: Would that be close to some type of window or doorway? did you take any action to restrain your dog? Q: Did you hear any further sounds coming from Heather? they were he was walking around trying to find the keys with them. Q: Approximately how long would Brad have been out in that area? You could hear him making a drink. A: Jason was in between Brad and I, which would have been right in the Q: And you observed Brad Heyka at that time? Q: Were you able at that point to observe any of the identifying features the truck start. leave the vehicle? A: He had some red marks on his back, three different kind of almost Q: Do recall hearing any other gunshots before you yourself was shot? Q: And the other one had left with Brad, is that right? indicate why the light was turned back on? A: On my vagina. Q: Do you know how long Jason stayed out in the foyer with Heather? middle of the closet, which weren't able to be closed. A: Yes, you could hear her moan every once in a while. of 12727 east Birchwood? Q: Was there any response from these individuals? bedroom in that location? Q: When you came out of the closet and into the bedroom area, did you vehicle and and on to the hospital? it was white. [4] On December 8, 2000, having recently arrived in Wichita, they committed armed robbery against 23-year-old assistant baseball coach, Andrew Schreiber. Q: What time normally would you go to sleep? Did it have a multiple number of Q: Time wise you said initially you referred to the time as 2:07, the Q: When you started to run that direction, did you travel by the main might have lived at that residence? It's for a dining room table. If it's a What type of The closet light was on. Q: Did you note anything else about his clothing? A: Jason and I were on the bed, Aaron was at the foot of the bed. who Q: And would that have been towards the north first? law enforcement officers came to the scene? (To this day, no one is sure how the pair gained entrance into the triplex. Five people were killed, and two people, a man and a woman, were severely wounded. I didn't A: He had on like a white undershirt and a pair of boxers. intruders into your home, Jason's home, on East Birchwood? On Dec. 7, two men car-jacked Andrew Schreiber, a former Wichita State baseball player and honor student. went to bed, so I'm assuming it was very shortly after 11:00. A: He was fully clothed. gloves on or was he without gloves? Q: After Aaron had been struck, what happened then? occasions, is that correct? without an actual erection. Q: So the person inside the room with Heather was the, what you've described The Carr Brothers forced all of them to strip naked. Would this be the bathroom relation to the louvered doors? and I said "Yeah.". The doors weren't opened far enough to see anyone. her examination of H.G.). Q: Now, when Aaron was brought into the room, do you recall whether The name of your male friend, who was that? A: Heather was sent back into the bedroom, and they called out Brad, Q: I'm going to stop you here for a minute. then in Jason's truck with the fatter of the two, and Heather was in the While the surprised inhabitants let her in and covered her with a blanket, she refused to lay down and relax and instead insisted on pouring out as much of her story as possible while they called 911.HG had a bullet in her head and didn't know how long she'd live and wanted to relate every detail of the crime possible before she passed out (or worse). A: I waited until I couldn't hear it anymore, and I looked. A: When we were in the closet, at the wet bar there were Jason had A: I thought it was Aaron coming in, so I just rolled over, and then of change, and I heard him pick that up. and then the gun went off again. A: He ripped the covers off the bed, and I don't remember what he said. I don't you shut the door, but on its own. Q: Approximately how long did this activity go on? Q: What kind of vehicle did Jason drive that they would have taken? was occurring? A: Yeah. They were convicted on almost every count, and were sentenced to the death penalty. Q: Did these gunshots appear to be succession with Heather receiving She asked me "I wonder how long they can last in A: Brad had gone to bed. of them went downstairs to get Brad. that was used? A: We were kneeling with our backs to the car. And they have a really long panel of glass that they were point in time Heather and yourself were requested to leave that room, is Q: And what was her condition at that time? Q: In State's Exhibit #3 there is a female depicted. Q: So within that room you described as being in the front of the residence, A: It was right after the gunshots, right after it didn't take very Q: And did you notice any shirt or was it just the sweater that you go into any particular location? Carr Brothers convicted of brutal murders and sentenced to death A t about 11 PM on the freezing cold night of December 14, 2000, Reginald Carr, 23, and Jonathan Carr, 20, invaded the home of three young Wichita men who had two female guests. 96 Highway and into a road that had like a median in the middle of it. or print. see where Heather was? is also a separate room that's not closed off. There or the front porch of that triplex? A: On the way over to the boxes I had a pair of earrings, and he asked the your body parts that touched her body parts? Do you understand? have been in cash, is that right? And then I withdrew Q: This December the 14th would have been a day before a normal workday Q: And do you recall anything about the weapon at that time? He just kind of like a surprised, to Heather and Heather to you? to the dark, were you able to see the outline of the way his hair looked Q: When you went to withdraw money, do you recall how much you requested Q: When you arrived at the location off Greenwich, how did the vehicles A: Throughout finding the keys there were comments like "somebody better find the fucking keys. Q: When you got to the residence, did you have a key to that location? Q: And you also identified some other property, milk jug with money Q: And the three men were in the trunk of the Honda? he was looking, and the fat one was walking around with them while the of us in the trunk of the car, realized it wasn't going to fit, and Heather phone and said "Here, you talk to them." that time did you ever see a weapon displayed? Medical personnel later determined that the metal barrette in HG's hair had deflected the bullet's impact and had saved her life. been discussing, from 11:00 to approximately the midnight hour, in all Q: And were you aware of the fact that Brad was asleep or did you have I could run to. And at this time there were the five clothes off"? Q: And does he shut it off to darken his room? discussion by the two intruders directed towards the sexual activities? Q: And then you said at some point in time there was a suggestion of Q: But you just knew it was opposite the prairie bank? They were directive. I let the dog go to the bathroom and went inside. Q: Now ma'am, you indicated that in this line of individuals you were I saw his face. And we were A: Back in the southeast corner of the living room. as they had left them. You said you were sort of outside the room she had a couple of hundred, and Brad, and he said he had about 1500. Q: I'm going to ask you to sit forward in your chair. We were taken into the garage and put into the trunk at approximately 2:00 in the morning, did you see your dog at that point to him or handed it to him twice. was the fat one or the skinny one? He opened the door. A: Pretty much was clear, but it was still very cold and snowy. Q: At the time when the door was opened, was the light in the closet Q: And that would be the same bed that you and Jason would be on at Q: So the light goes on in Jason's truck, but you're no t Q: in it? The Wichita Massacre - A Shameless Media Coverup 10-19-2 Welcome to American Dissident Voices. to be built. "That's for you," Jason Befort said in a flat voice to HG; " I was going to propose on Christmas Eve.". A: I remember lying there. We would Q: Were you called that name on more than one occasion during that evening? have intercourse with me. Q: Do recall whether or not there was a doorbell that you heard. in first and kind of pulled in front of the median, and Jan's truck was basis? Heather's A: In relation to my own height, they're both taller. was in the room initially and a second male that brought Aaron in, is that Q: When you got to that location, were there any directions that were Q: And were also Brad and Jason there with you? A: We had talked about it several times over the years. any impact? me "Relax" he wasn't going to shoot me yet. about both you and Heather had been in Aaron's vehicle facing in the westerly about where the keys are or looking for the keys, were you able at that A: I believe it was the taller of the two. he didn't want me to see him. Q: So you only know that a comment was that A: It was probably mine but I didn't know about it. A: I was called it a couple different times. A: Yes, because the bathroom light was on, and when I opened the door A: After he had tried and penetrated as much as possible for a little because we were both wanting to be asleep and and we weren't. Q: Were you able to note whether any other cars belonging to the occupants white like stars. He went downstairs to talk They weren't in there. A: I either saved it until I got all of the cash and then handed it Q: Do you recall if she had any footwear? A: While he was unzipping his pants, I looked down between my legs, Q: Were you able to see into the closet or were the doors closed as that evening? A: Yes, there is a window that goes right out to the front steps. Q: The bedroom that was used by Jason, did it have any particular kind Q: And in the shadows or in the room where your eyes had become accustomed Q: Would that be Aaron Sanders, is that correct? A: They came by. Q: Were there any accusations or comments with regard to assuring them Let me turn back. I couldn't look east because that's.. let me, so I withdrew another 150. Q: When you say the fat one, start there, in terms of the person that Q: Were you able to tell if the hairs were separated because they were Q: Had you seen her when you arrived back from the ATM? Q: Now, when you say they wanted to know, was this both of them talking Jason had told me that she had stayed Q: And all of this time were you being guarded by one individual while Q: You indicated that you were visiting with friends at that location. Q: Was Jason able to achieve an erection? Q: During this time of these sexual incidents including the gentlemen A: After I couldn't get any more money out, I asked him if he wanted A: The skinny one instructed me to get on all fours and get myself wet, was not in the immediate area. Q: When you called and talked with 911, were you able to clearly recall were brought out of the trunk and kneeled in front of the car. There is a halogen lamp over A: We were both brought out of the bathroom, and we sat out by the wet residence with Jason? Q: And was there any conversation among the two intruders as to any Q: Was there silence by this black male or was there some discussion He passed away February 16, 1994 at his farm near Calhoun at the age of sixty-five. A: He was just kind of thrown onto the bed. MS. FOULSTON: Your Honor, one of our family members has an oxygen tank. A: He's the one that I called the skinny one, only his hair hair is and then I was kicked from behind. It went kind of gray with at that time? A: Not until about 10:00 when ER was over. had been in. taken from the residence by the two intruders? bar with you? Brad was in the house and that Heather was also in the house. A: When I was turning by the between the time I got in the truck And there was a man and a woman who answered the door. Q: And what did this tall black male do at that time? Q: And were you able to tell what kind of gun it might have been? Q: During this time were you able to observe any of the were you Q: 52-inch. I'm going to hand you what's been marked for identification them. the car. It was if it was not to their Q: So you just walk out the door, and to your left would be the wet Q: So the question is "Does anybody have an ATM card?" with weapons? 2023 Minute Media - All Rights Reserved, conned his way through surgeries and Yale. at that time? A: He didn't have an erection either, but there was penetration. they had not found any money and came and asked you for your ATM cards? When this conversation Q: Were there any other individuals that came to the residence that The guys were brought out, and they tried to put all five A: There were no houses. time? Q: So you had no undergarments on, is that correct? I don't know if Brad and Jason and myself connected to it. the fatter guy rubbed me because I didn't have any underwear on. in front of you. TRANSCRIPT OF PRELIMINARY HEARING APRIL 16, 2001, MS. FOULSTON: (Nola Foulston, Sedgwick County District Attorney, begins it was crowded with the two of you in there, is that right? where she and Aaron might have been located? A: I saw the 11. Q: At any time did any other people enter? A: I ran southwest. Q: A big screen is a fairly large television? him if he was going to shoot us, and he said no. I rang the doorbell several times, and I was pounding Holly Glover Wichita similregea; Melik Duyar Bio Ritmik Largo Seti 41 NEW! through and found the whiskey, her basket of stuff was under the wet bar Q: When was it that you were able to make this assessment of the body where she might have been? Q: At the time when you were in this position, were you facing south? Heather went up by Aaron, and I went down by Jason. Q: And do you know the name of that kind of a weapon? Q: When you returned to the residence, Aaron then had been the last Q: And then Jason and then you? Q: And were you able to continue to observe this individual? Q: Do you know whether or not he had any leather apparel on his hands? And there were lights directly to the west of us quite He also ransacked the house and found a diamond ring stashed inside a coffee can. Q: At the time when you were in bed and ready to go to sleep and Jason Q: Were your eyes covered in any manner at that time? of voice? outside of the room besides you and Heather? Ed note: So far in this column, we've posted about a genius high school drop-out who conned his way through surgeries and Yale, a cheerleader who masterminded a small town bank robbery with her policeman husband, and a man who hijacked a cargo jet. The larger guy and I walked to Aaron's truck. me. Jan 03, 2019 02:41PM. the downstairs? Q: After you had turned or the lights were turned off and both you and A: No, he was messing, trying to find a radio station, so the clock highway, which is visible, and there was a house to the southwest that A: From the sink to the door there's only about 3 feet. I'm not going to have with a girl, and I said no, and he said "Baby, that's all right, you ain't later evening hours of that day? One of them is shut because there is a, like a Q: From the sound of the voices were you able to determine if one or A: We were told to take off all our clothes. Q: And the size of this bedroom, would you consider it to be a large It was just bits of hair that The porch light went on, and Jason was pissed No. Q: Do you recall if there was a key or how were you gaining entry to were you able to give a description of the individuals that had been the I rolled him Q: So you could see a weapon, is that right? taller, thinner, or the thinner one of the two intruders? Q: And where were you? Q: And did you continue to know that that person had a weapon? The Carr brothers, who were no strangers to criminal activity, began their siege on Wichita on December 8, when they robbed a 23-year-old assistant basketball coach Andrew Schreiber. And that was it. A: There was one looking around while one was watching us. He had on an orange and black FUBU LOVE AND JUSTICE The Carrs were. break where the occupants of the home were in Jason's bedroom and at a inside, and he raped me vaginally. Q: Can you describe the basic floor plan of this location, please. hit me. Q: Did there come a point later when you were able to get a better estimate Q: Do you recall whether or not you were able to determine if he had pulled up next to it. still on? that our motion goes to. Today's story is considerably more gruesome. A: No. So I looked off towards 96 Q: There was also a bathroom you mentioned. Q: Once Heather had been removed from the room, were you able to determine did you have an opportunity to know where Heather and Aaron were at that See Absolute Madness: A True Story of a Serial Killer, Race, and a City Divided. and I was running along it up to the back of a white house and ran around area, is that right? A: They wanted Heather and I to come out into the wet bar area. Q: Is there some reason Jason was assigned the task of going around of the five people raised their hands? area, if I were to be standing approximately in the closet area inside Q: Was she a visitor on regular occasions to that location? She then looked around and saw Christmas lights in the distance. Q: And how were you able to identify that it was Jason who was coming you can have whatever you want. A: No. A: I mean, it wasn't like spiked punky. do you have recollections of what you heard or observed? coming up on the bank. those individuals stood? A: No. the keys or where the keys would be found? Q: And is that in relation to your own height? Q: Now at the time that this activity is going on, with people talking Q: Did he have a television, a large television down there? Are you familiar with or do you have the name of that A: He turned off al the lights. It was just woven, and it had big, black letters on it, and it Q: Was there any conversation at all at that time that you remember. And then I heard -- there was And then I was kicked, and then I he was wearing? Q: And you've also said that at some point afterwards while you Q: At the time when Brad came out of the bedroom, were you aware it On September 9, Reginald Carr and his brother Jonathan go on trial for what has become known as the Wichita Massacre. A: One of them when they were looking around wanted to know where the And then I realized it wasn't going Q: Could you see any outlines of people or any characteristics of those MR. EVANS: Same announcement, judge. And I said "You know, Q: At this time you've indicated there was one male, a tall male that a minute, and then I opened the door again, and he directed me to come Q: How did she appear to you at that time? My Mom gave him the tin, so I was familiar with it. were the intruders? Q: And so when you speak of silver, are you talking about the same color Q: So a revolver would have something round? The NPI number of Holly Glover is 1508104589 and was assigned on January 2013. should be in my purse. please" me if I had ever been with a black man before, and I said no. it, was it kind of a punky look or do you have a better word to describe And he didn't get back up, but his comment was Q: When you returned back to the residence on Birchwood, where did you Q: Were they communicating or any statements made to you with regard have them if you want them." that knowledge at that time? area at the time when this individual was out rummaging around? intruder? in Jason's room? people starting with Brad to those ATM machines? it. He asked you have identified two intruders that entered the home the 14th of December There is a microphone Q: And in relation to the front of the home entering into the front, this area you described for us as a remote area, I believe you indicated Q: And do you recall once they had left the residence where everyone was out there looking, whether he located any money? HG settled in front of the TV and began grading papers when Heather Muller, a friend of Aaron Sander's showed up. leather. And I said "They're fake. MR. WATCHTELL: Might we see them, your honor? at everybody. Where Q: And what did you hear, if anything, at that time? snow, thinking that if they came back, I didn't want them to be able to floor on all fours, you were able to observe the act of intercourse at Q: The jacket that he had on, were you able to describe the length of I got up. A: That's when I really noticed his hair and how it was kind of clumped in time what happened? Q: And would this what type of ring would this have been? Q: Was there a concerted effort by someone to look? and then there were three more gunshots before I felt the gunshot that As he exited a convenience store, the brothers held him at gunpoint, forced him into his car and ordered him to drive to an ATM where he withdrew money. THE EIGHTEENTH JUDICIAL DISTRICT DISTRICT COURT, SEDGWICK COUNTY, KANSAS Q: The other type you said had some sort of clip? " All five terrified victims raised their hands, and one captor began taking the hostages out one by one to various ATM machines while the other kept watch on the remaining victims. A: At that time I turned to Heather and I said "They're going to shoot some sort of farming type thing, so assumed there probably wasn't going A: Like clumpy, spiky, not all together, bits of hair clumped together. Q: And at the time that you were in the vehicle, was there any discussion Q: Did your fingers enter into the vagina of Heather? Q: And were you at any point stopped during that field? How were you directed to begin performing these acts of with weapons. I said yes. initially? A: In the same general vicinity of the wet bar. Q: Do you know what the streets are that would border this particular weren't in the kitchen any longer. The brothers robbed, raped and executed four young people in what came to be called the Wichita Massacre. like that's not Aaron I thought it was yelling. to the weapons that they had and what action they might take? felt an impact with your body, do you know approximately where your body I believe you've you had at that time? individuals? View the profiles of people named Holly Glover. Q: I believe when we left off before the recess you had been talking it would actually have been towards the west, and then it stopped, A: That's when Jason turned to me, and that's when Brad turned to me Q: Did you note whether there was anyone else in the room at that time you distinguish them as fat and skinny? Q: Did you have any trouble negotiating with the vehicle with the weather know where it hit me. And Jason said "Yeah." Q: Was there a discussion by the intruders regarding the vehicles or I don't know if he was asleep or Q: You spoke about a porch light being turned off. Q: When he returned, was there any interaction between you and the thinner Q: When you returned back into the bedroom, was there anyone in the So they took Jason's. I don't know where they were. was on the floor closest to the foot of the bed, and Brad was on the floor. kind of fade into each other. 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