It is bent forward which I thought would help if anything, wrong? Wear them enough and you forget you have them on. 2023 Ford Fordson Collectors Association All Rights Reserved. } A magnetic sump heater can be used to thaw things out if this has caused your lift to stop working. }, Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. (800) 853-2651Shop Now TRACTOR PARTS Allis Chalmers Case & David Brown Before replacing the top cover, take the time to inspect everything else in there for wear or other problems. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see If I could not add metal to build up the worn part of the cam I would install a longer pin and live with it . Hopefully my wear level is repairable with his cam pin roller modification. Two large plugs under the transmission, and hydraulic pump, and one smaller pipe plug under the differential housing. This post was edited by jasmith503 at 16:47:01 06/09/15. 75 Tips Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Just removed and straightened the control rod. How's this procedure Zane? Water isn't flowing thru a damaged shifter boot into the sump. Make sure the rod is connected and that it is moving the control valve spools in and out as you move the lift control lever up and down. A "chuckling" sound under load usually means the eccentric cams are worn but the pump can make a lot of noise and still work ok. Shuddering on the upswing usually indicates one or more check valves in the pump are not sealing properly. Hold the hydraulic touch control lever at the top of the quadrant and gently tap the quadrant support plate forward or backward until both of the above requirements are fulfilled. Any moisture we can drain off this way will not be in there to mix with the fluid when it warms up. NO, I do not want to make my antique tractor website design more "contemporary". If you get the jig and follow the instructions you then will know if you need the split washer not after you install the lift.. I'm new to this forum stuff. It is possible to repair and adjust your lift using just the instructions in the I&T FO-4 manual. It is impossible to adjust the 8N lift with the instructions in most manuals. I don't have a welder. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. I got in the habit of wearing safety glasses 100% of the time in my shop. I'll let you know how I do. That is all you need, any more will just leak past the axle seals and get on your brakes. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Thanks for the note that the washer can overdue it, that's what I was wanting to know. My lift only comes up half way then stops.. If it won't go easy, stop and figure out why. On 8N tractors the ball on the linkage rod just pulls right out of the socket as the top cover or pump are removed. Condition: Recently, the sickle bar will not lay flat and rides about ten inches off the ground. Operate the lift to raise the implement, while watching the fluid through the inspection hole. The control valve spools in the pump base can leak due to scoring in the bores but this is rare and generally not repairable except by a major pump rebuild. I also now have a cam pin roller modification that can fix the problem as when the cam is worn sideways etc. Any comments would be welcome. Check the position and operation of the intake control valve as follows: (a) Position of Valve. Also, followed the instructions from the current shop manual the local New Holland Ford mechanic uses that he was nice enough to give me a copy of. Not sure if you saw the pic of the crack in my lift arm ram. Hydraulic control unit adjustment question. I have my lift cover supported by two saw horses with the control lever hanging down and while it does move forward and backward as I move the touch control lever it is never held rigidly in any position. }, }, Leakdown is probably the most common complaint with the N tractors, but its usually easy to fix. You can remove the piston fron the cylinder by applying a little compressed air to the oil inlet hole in the cylinder. "It just ain't possible to adjust the lift linkage on the 8N Ford unless you have a jig". "url": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/graphics/smllogo.png", You will need to replace the ram arm to prevent potential catastrophic damage in the future. This one is a separate page Live Hydraulics. Or do I need to move it to "position Control" to transport my plow? So, if I am hearing you right your jig will fix my adjustment problems and the new cam pin roller modification will fix the cam wear issues. Measure 1.7 - 1.75 inches forward from the front edge of this bolt hole. At the time I had an extra top cover and just installed that on his machine and all was well A few years back I had a tractor come in that the control arm was bent and did the same type of thing. Thanks to John Smith of Old Ford Tractor for allowing us to use this information. It should be straight. "logo": { Am I missing something? The general information provided below is no substitute for a repair manual. I previously posted a pic of the crack. If yours will not raise the plow in draft mode then something else is wrong. (Long)", We had one in the shop but I didn't have a clue what it was for until I attended the training session on the lift. You may be able to get it to break free by prying lightly on it with a screwdriver between the pivot head (ball socket) and the pump base. "@type": "WebPage", Any water in there turns to vapor and eventually gets thoroughly mixed with the hot fluid. My guess is that someone used a pin that was too short & too hard. After starting the lift arms go all the way up and will not come down. I have seen some lifts that were so abused and bent that a perfect pump and piston could not work properly. "height": 57 This is an excellent time to rebuild the lift cylinder also. The louder the knock, the more wear your pump has on it. Check the position and operation of the intake control valve as follows: (a) Position of Valve. Some people recommend flushing the system with kerosene or diesel fuel. "name": "Yesterday's Tractor Co.", Of course, once you diagnose the problem you still need to fix it! He ships the jig with documentation that has helpful hints about things to check that the manual doesn't talk about that'd keep one from getting the proper adjustment. You obviously know a lot more about welding than I do. That adjustment would work on a lift that was prestine but it ain't! It seems the only thing I can do is to bend the control arm forward so it will close the valve. Start the tractor, press the clutch, make sure the PTO is engaged. "image": { A few years back I had a tractor come in that the control arm was bent and did the same type of thing. Draining this water is easy to do. Please use the navigational links to explore our website. There's a good reason to talk about the weather, it affects everything. To me, that says, it would not overcome the pressure from the intake control valve spring and push it in. (7) Place the position control lever in the forward position. 3 - Is it below freezing now? Pic attached. Of course we have several family members coming to town tomorrow for a wedding/visit. The 9N-2N lift is much simpler with only one external adjustment. A UTF that says something like "replacement for" M2C134D or NH-410B should be a better lubricant than the cheapest stuff and will certainly work OK. Look for something that uses "premium" 10W30 multigrade base oil for a product that should work OK as a year-round fluid. Thus, I removed the hydraulic control unit to adjust it. )* Nov 11, 2020 / 3 Point Lift Lever "stop?" #9 Tinhack If a leak gets worse than a few drips, fix it. I think that the cam wear is part of the problem with my lift as well. May be where I end up depending on what Zane says. Simple. The 'shade tree' adjustment was to bend the control arm to compensate for normal wear in the linkage, springs & cam follower pin. My tractors are working tractors. Make sure the oil level isnt low. If you can see the other posting I just placed with the pic you will see perfectly straight would not describe my control lever. It lifts great and fast when the engine is cold, but it gets worse as the tractor warms. The determining factor in which way to go is the condition of the cylinder bore. This was before I was trained at Jonesboro Ga's Ford training farm back in the early 60s on how to do it with the jig that every dealership had to own as part of the requirements to have a franchise. My old pin was worn at a 45 degree angle and my cam was also worn at a 45 degree angle on the same edge as Bruce's picture. "@context":"https://schema.org", Ford 861 In draft mode, once you move it off the top stop, the touch control lever controls draft as you described. You've done it, I haven't. "@context":"https://schema.org", After trying several ideas, the one that worked was a simple scrap of wood. The position control pin and the control arm were both bent. The Operator's manual says to change the fluid every 600 hours. Measuring parts just won't cut it when all the parts are not still the same shape and measurement that they were when new about 50 years ago. If the cylinder bore is in good shape or has only very faint scratches or grooves use the NAA piston and seal. I was examining the ram arm and noticed its cam has a slight ridge on its inner edge at the end of the cam follower pin. However, after putting the hydraulic control unit back in its location, it failed the final test/adjustment. Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see OK,OK step one first. In any case, dont forget about fresh oil! A premium synthetic that says it "MEETS" NH-410B (M2C-134D) is much thinner than 80 or 90 weight gear oil. Here are some suggestions to get you started fixing your tractor. Plate was about 1/32 concave on one edge. After yesterday I don't have a clue how I could get the ram arm out. (800) 853-2651Shop Now TRACTOR PARTS Allis Chalmers Case & David Brown Farmall & International Ferguson Ford & New Holland John Deere So, is it wear or suppose to have concave groove to rest on the dowell? Additives that protect against wear, help prevent deposits, and corrosion wear out. Thanks, I guess my lift issues may have been a blessing as they led to finding the crack. "@id": "https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/" FORD 9N 2N 8N NAA 600 601 800 TRACTOR LIFT CONTROL LEVER 9N512A . If you plan to flush it anyway, drain the plugs in any order you want. This is a very common complaint and can almost always be attributed to a worn cam follower pin in the lift control linkage. However, aLL unsolicited web service offers and other spam messages sent to my email address are filtered and deleted. Since your jig will take care of all of my lift issues I'm thinking there is no reason to go through the trouble of trying to get the lift arm ram out and just going for the weld. Raise the lift control lever and watch inside the cavity for oil leaking out from above in the area of the lift cylinder. "@type": "ImageObject", Such folks bend it with a length of pipe in the inspection port(s). Come to think of it that might have been a little too profound a remark! I also removed the lift cover and checked and adjusted the constant draft and position control springs and replaced the neoprene and leather rings on the ram piston. If you will get one of my 8N lift adjusting jig fixtures you can fix that lift. (Long) in the Tractors forum followed by comments. Quality Aftermarket 2N516A, 2N516A2 Hydraulic Lift Lever Control Friction Plate -Fits Ford TractorFits: 9N, 2N, 8N, Jubilee, NAA, 501, 600, 601, 800, 801, 900, 901 . Not sure if you saw the pic of the crack in my lift arm ram. You've done it, I haven't. Many times you will find that simply replacing the worn pin will take care of the problem without any further adjustments, but you have to completely reassemble the tractor to find out if you are lucky or not. Thanks, while I was hunting around I did see the postings yesterday re Zane's jig, etc. Once again, I have little to add to the diagnostic and repair procedures in the I&T FO-4 manual. Once I get the lift arm ram welded I will proceed with the jig. Dont use a high pressure or youll blast the piston out of there like a rocket. 6 - Has it been more than a year since the fluid was changed? If the relief valve is leaking you will see the oil bubbling up from the pump area. Dean It must be straight. "publisher": { This is also usually sold as 80 or 90 weight. Such folks bend it with a length of pipe in the inspection port(s). It will only raise the plow with touch all the way up. Please use the navigational links to explore our website. Get the adjusting jig from Zane. Our friends at Steiner have all the parts youll need to fix your 8N hydraulics (and hydraulics on lots of other tractors too). Thanks for the suggestion. Loosen the 4 bolts holding the quadrant control lever bracket to the top cover. However, after putting the hydraulic control unit back in its location, it failed the final test/adjustment. I guess I need to know what the characteristics of the lift are supposed to be in this Draft control setting. Welding is on the long list of things I know nothing about. I've seen a 1200-pound round bale on a 3-point bale spike on the back of an 8N, but he also had a loader bucket on the front to help balance the weight. 17). 2009-10-02 166108. Not like position control mode where partial movement of the touch control partially raises the arms. He ships the jig with documentation that has helpful hints about things to check that the manual doesn't talk about that'd keep one from getting the proper adjustment. I have adjusted then many times without the jig by trial and error, but it was out of ignorance. First, it causes rust and corrosion. Regardless of the position of my quadrant support plate, I cannot get the valve completely open as directed in step 7a. Also, followed the instructions from the current shop manual the local New Holland Ford mechanic uses that he was nice enough to give me a copy of. "name": "Yesterday's Tractor Co.", Bending the control arm is a lazy man's fix for a worn cam follower pin. The main reason we replace the fluid is the amount of water that eventually has mixed with it. To check these, leave the side cover off and start the tractor. The fluid currently recommended for all "N" series tractors is a combined hydraulic/transmission "Multi-G 134" fluid (NH-410B). document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. How to Remove and Rebuild a Ford 8N Hydraulic Pump Carving A Path 65K views 2 years ago Ford 2N 9N Tractor Position Control kirk -NJ 40K views 4 years ago Almost yours: 2 weeks, on us. Thanks for te help. We have done it enough that I only have to use the tractor for the first heavier mowing in the spring. Any comments would be welcome. A really hard freeze could actually crack something. }. and if it looks like the pic, it will need to be repaired. Dean Is the control arm straight? Condensation. Mar 12, 2013. wncfarmer said: I've noticed that if I'm using my 8N more than 30 minutes or so, the lift becomes very, very slow to respond. Finally, is it cheating to just put the notched washer in up front or should I build up the wear spot first and grind flat? Get to the tough questions and you go all shy on me? Then, wet some rags & stuff them in the cover to catch the shavings when you grind it back down. If those didn't do the trick I would then go back to removing the yoke, etc. You definitely dont want that to happen. If the cam follower pin is worn replace it. I.E., I can grab it and move it freely front to back. Zane Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Thanks. Its also highly recommended that you change the hydraulic oil (gear oil) and keep it fresh and clean at all times. It has a tendency to accumulate moisture from condensation inside the gear cases and the water collects in the bottom of the sump where it is drawn directly into the hydraulic pump. }, Remove the right inspection plate that has the hydraulic dip-stick. "publisher": { Wrong? Crack a drain plug and turn it out about half a turn. Never plow, etc. As for the adjustment, I followed the instructions in the very old version of the I&T Shop manual I have. I've done this with the seat removed, laying on the tractor, with an arm in each hole. Now assembly them on the 3PT lift control arm swing. It helps to have something like a block of wood under an elbow or a floor jack to help hold the pump when it does not go in perfectly on the first try. Get a replacement or straighten the one you have. I have watched you rebuild video twice and find it would be a great help if I needed to rebuild. (gritting of the teeth) How's this procedure Zane? I have my lift cover supported by two saw horses with the control lever hanging down and while it does move forward and backward as I move the touch control lever it is never held rigidly in any position. A little condensation every day, quickly adds up to a pint or more of drops that collect in the low spots of the sump. The crack has nothing to do with the lift performance at this time. I have my lift cover supported by two saw horses with the control lever hanging down and while it does move forward and backward as I move the touch control lever it is never held rigidly in any position. I.E., I can grab it and move it freely front to back. RETURN - to main TUNE-UP page or go to the next subject BRAKES. Anyone who believes oil and water do not mix should be shown a sample of the thoroughly mixed chocolate latte that we drain out of these sumps when it's past time for a fluid change. Also, the draft sensing spring seat can be deformed by the implement bouncing up and down during transport over rough terrain. Remove the right inspection plate that has the hydraulic dip-stick. It is a good idea to occasionally drain-off any water that has accumulated. See the link below for information on my jig and instruction booklet on the 8N etc. Have a friend with a MIG welder but Zane advised 7018 stick welding, which I'm sure I could get done in town. "userInteractionCount": 5 When I raise the lift quadrant, the arms don't move until the lever is nearly . Any help would be greatly appreciated. My hydraulic pump makes knocking noises under load.. As for the adjustment, I followed the instructions in the very old version of the I&T Shop manual I have. If my brother-in-law has any luck with that I'll use your suggestion on cutting the arm ram off. 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